Implying that Tail beast can't get stronger? I said if how well they were performing can be exclusively linked to using senjutsu like you said, how come normal sage mode wasn't enough? GG. you said Besides I.T? Momoshiki was also able to use elemental techniques such as Absolute Zero Blizzard and Meteor Shower. This topic is locked from further discussion. YOU ALREADY DESTROYED YOUR CLAIM WHEN YOU SAID MOMISHIKI CAN"T SEE INVISIBLE JUTSU. Regardless like I said Madara has larger Chakra, and Chakra reserves than Adult Sasuke who had 50% Sasuke's chakra level was never givenand one dimension hop wouldn't drain him either, seeing as he Rinnegan was still fully charged. About you mentioning the characters conditions of them being bloodlust, again that doesn't matter because Madara for the most part is going to hit Momoshiki with I.T since that was the first thing he went to do once he got his other eye back. you can't even keep a consistent argument and you are telling people about objectivity? The Difference here is Madara has at least 70+ more years of fighting experience, knowledge of more jutsu and just being in war at a young age then Naruto and Sasuke combined. That as Well, Is another reason Why I say Madara can smack him. LMFAO. Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken Review: A Potentially Ambitious Animated Fantasy-Adventure That Lacks Heart and Soul, Warrior Season 3 Review: The Streets of Chinatown Run with Blood in a Fantastic Season, Skull Island Season 1 Review: The MonsterVerse Tries Its Luck with a Competent Animated Series. This the best Naruto filler, 10 Naruto characters who can beat Momoshiki, ranked. One of the main antagonists of the show as well as one of the most powerful beings to ever exist, Madara was a powerful and capable ninja who became obsessed with the idea of eternal peace. Yeah, Because Kishimoto stating that Madara has no Weakness, and that he didn't know how to defeat him is headcanon. None of this helps him against Momoshiki. What do you mean advantage? concession accepted. Jul 27, 2021. ROFL this never get's old. Naruto's world has a vast number of powerful and evil beings, and since his first appearance Momoshiki has been one of them. Naruto's first appearance in SPSM had Madara trying to run away from him and get hit with a Rasenshuriken. He wasn't inferior, because Naruto needed Help to fight him. Madara was still relative to War Arc Naruto and Sasukeso Momoshiki should take it. Yet Naruto's clones fought pretty evenly with Madara's Limbo clonesdo you not the issue staring you in the face yet? Experience only helps, it doesn't say for sure who wins or loses. right now you are exaggerating scenes. Since Momoshiki is incapable of Senjutsu, he can't harm Madara. Naruto even Disagrees with you. Sasuke has been Narutos rival and best friend since they were children. That Proves they were far superior buddy. Shortly before his death, he pushed his Sharingan to its peak by implanting cells from the First Hokage in his body, thus creating the ultimate evolution of the Sharingan: the Rinnegan. Momoshiki has eyes on his palms. It doesn't help your case what so ever. Sure Isshiki is Strong and all, But that's all he is. Like I said he would own them with I.T or Limbo. yes it is the case. You are the one who brought this topic upall I said was that Madara was relative to War-Arc Naruto and Sasuke, which is the plain truth. all they could hope to do with Normal Sage mode is hurt them, they can't win with it otherwise they wouldn't have upgraded to better sage mode. so same rules apply there to buddy. Madara would see through that, and just hand to hand him and since he has his Truth Seek Orbs any dangerous moves Madara can shield himself from like I said Madara knows I.T so if he since the battle is pointless he is going to go for the for sure Victory. Boruto's Rasengan was something else entirely. ObitoOfTheOrangeMask said: Fused Momoshiki alone can solo as he kept up with in physicals with much stronger versions of Naruto and Sasuke , and the former blitzed Kaguya . He can create the wood dragon, this dragon can be the same size as a Biju and when he winds them up, he can cancel their chakra. What stoping Madara from absorbing every Jutsu Naruto and Sasuke have since he had Both his rinnegan? This was even after knowing that Naruto could make 1000s of clones yet The creator still couldn't see Naruto or sasuke winning against Madara. With his Rinnegan, Momoshiki could easily use all five nature transformations by absorbing the elemental chakra from his enemies techniques. Why can't Momoshiki? 2 years ago #2 Edited By MCU-Defender333 Hasn't this basically been done before? People are just saying Momoshiki without providing any evidence because he's the newer villain but that holds zero weight. You've proven this beyond a doubt. He got wrecked by a Vanishing Rasengan in literally every continuity, What are you talking about? And no, Gaara can't beat Madara nor Momoshiki. as I said You need Senjutsu to by Pass those Truth Seeking orbs, without it Madara can just negate every Jutsu Attack Momoshiki makes. Madara wanted to end all fighting, because he was tired of it. Like I said, they are glass canon at that point. I skipped over your above post because you are forgetting why we are here. Okay, So can madara. Which Kaguya? It doesn't matter the fact remains they didn't seal him and couldn't defeat him. On top of that, Madara did nothing except defend. This was before he had his Other Eye which Madara told Obito that he can only use the full power of an eye when both the original eyes are together so it wasn't like he could absorb it yet since he needed his other eye to do when. Alright, ignoring the fact that we're speculating that eyes cannot see, Momoshiki still had a Rinnegan on his forehead. While I don't deny it, he also had an entire monologue where he admits that Naruto and Sasuke are legitimate threats to him and that he needs to acquire his other eye as soon as possible. in the past the Tailed beast from the ten tails was barely just born. Context, which version of Kaguya, since they're two of them in the past. so, weaker Ten tails then the current one. After their mother became obsessed with regaining the chakra that her sons took from her, Hamura joined forces with his brother to defeat her. Madara wasn't trying to, All he was trying to do was start the dream world which he did. Momoshiki wielded a pair of Rinnegans located in the palms of his hands, which he could use to absorb ninjutsu with the right one and use mentioned techniques with the left one. ago If we're talking about his highest form, it would be Kaguya, Ishiki, Hagoromo and Naruto (BM). RELATED: Madara's strength was far beyond the reach of Itachi Uchiha, contrary to the belief of some people. However, Black Zetsu warped these compliments into a nasty and twisted sense of superiority. I asked why was it relevant to your response to Momoshiki having a Rinnegan. Momoshiki dodged Gaara's sand, parried Darui, then when Sasuke jumped in he held off Sasuke's attacks, but at that point there were 4 people on Momoshiki at once. I don't think anyone debating for Momo in this thread has given us an idea on how Momoshiki can bypass limbo or how he'll deal with Madara's immortality. Winning Via touching your opponent is one of the easies roads to victory anyone could ask for. So Chakra differences don't have a massive role to play, especially considering everything he threw at them was countered. when the war started out there was 80k shinobi in all, Gaara was the only one to have lost nearly everyone in his unit because he was the unlucky Victim to have to face off against Madara who took out almost everyone there. This isn't true. Momoshiki was more powerful than 50% Naruto and Sasuke individually. The absence of clones on the battlefield means Madara's clones beat them? so, All you have to do is use your common sense, it isn't that hard to figure out what was being said by just reading the context of the post LMFAO. meaning they don't use it. I don't recall a struggle till the end. Kaguya ended up creating an army of white Zetsu in order to fight Momoshiki and Kinshiki. Does this not contradict a previous point you made lol? Just saying she is because she is the same person is not a argument because then I could say SM Madara=Madara in the past. Assumption is the mother of failure. well that sure as hell didn't help him when people went to hand to hand him. Even though we didn't get to see much of him, Hagoromo is one of the strongest characters to ever appear on the show. 11 CAN BEAT MADARA: Kaguya tsutsuki Kaguya tsutsuki came from seemingly nowhere to be the true final boss of Naruto: Shippuden and usurped Madara's shot at dominance. 4075. He could also act quickly to avoid enemy attacks. The entire reason he had to even fight at all was casting that jutsu. Madara mid-high diff. It just mean they have crap Durability really, this was a response to your clones being able to be dispelled by strong enough attack. Regardless of that the God Tree is Kaguya. Furthermore, Momoshiki Otsutsuki fought a weakened version of Naruto and Sasuke, while Jigen defeated both at their full strength. .why are you setting yourself up to get wrecked in here? So Again Occam's Razor unless you can prove that Naruto or Sasuke didn't need the others help to beat Madara the fact remains that Naruto said it himself that both him and sasuke was going to defeat him not Naruto Solo or Sasuke Solo. As for Toneri reducing production cost's technical factors: Transplanted Byakugan and evolved it into Tenseigan minutes before starting to fight Naruto. That's not the case at all, the original's power is not divided among the clones, it's chakra instead. In the end, were going to give our final verdict and explanation on why Madara would ultimately be able to defeat Momoshiki in a direct fight. And no, Gaara can't beat Madara nor Momoshiki. First off, Only Madara's Limbo clones are stated to be around The originals level of power, Naruto's shadow Clones are not. He also had part of Hashiramas power implanted in him to appropriate the Mokuton techniques. He formerly had a powerful eye in the Rinnegan, but Momoshiki viewed it as a threat and destroyed it. If pre-chakra chakra fruit, then yes. They can be used a shield and cannot be absorbed by Momo. The only thing he has over juubito is durability, seeing as even normal sage rasengans could hurt juubito. TBH I think the Ten tails currently was more powerful than the one in the past because all the tailed beast back then where young and inexperience, but that is a debate for another day. He has a Ph.D. and speaks five languages. this was stated in the movie Naruto Last. In the Boruto novel, Momoshiki was able to absorb Wood Release, which gave him access to this power by making it several times stronger. At the height of his power, Hashirama was even able to beat Madara. As I already said Madara has planet+ level of chakra, and Chakra reserves when he took in the Ten tails. As I said Sage mode gives a massive buff to all the other senses. The relevant parts of your post I will Reply to. Arthur S. Poe is a writer based in Europe. Kaguya, the mother of all Chakra, was a princess who decided to end an age of endless war by eating the fruit of the Tree God and becoming the first person to use Chakra. which is why I call it simply PIS. This is hilarious mate. To your post, Naruto barely did any damage to Madara, he took that attack with 0 damage. Are you going to dismiss it and yet argue the Limbo clones are superior, while ignoring the only bit of information? Momoshikis Fire Release was strong enough to overcome Sasukes Susanoo and severely burn him. Clones literally possess the same strength as the original. His katon techniques have incredible range and power, Itachis supreme fireballs had medium-range and respectable power but Madaras are on a whole other level. and lets face it, they had nothing to beat him with beside (sealing). Momoshiki could control his hair, using it to bind and strangle his opponent, and their speed was enough to bypass Gaaras Sand Shield defenses. when she was having her sons she was weakened as she couldn't stop in coming arrows. What stoping Madara from absorbing every Jutsu Naruto and Sasuke have since he had Both his rinnegan? Later comments on this thread are probably going to disagree with me, so let me. 10 Stronger: Kaguya Otsutsuki Also known as the Rabbit Goddess, Kaguya Otsutsuki was introduced as the final villain of the Naruto series. - Madara has better avatar (a juubi enhanced PS will be much stronger than momo's golem). No, Momoshiki can't see with those Rinnegan on his hands, Occam's Razor says he only used them to absorbed Jutsu nothing more. However, the power gap between Isshiki and Momoshiki is too big. 4/19/2016 Rachin123 wrote: Just saying, you may be underestimating Momoshiki. Congratulations, by your logic then Sasuke even with Rinnegan can't Hurt Limbo since you said he doesn't have Six path Sage mode. 21503. #1 Gokukid2005 Fused Momoshiki Kaguya during last arc Win by K.o, Death, Incap, can't win by BFR Give reasons for why the person will win 3. A Limbo clone going all out would solo Momo. Because I don't remember Gaara defeating anyone in Boruto so far. it goes to my point that Sasuke at 50% was stomping fused Momoshiki. Her strength was explicitly stated to be far greater than Madara Uchiha's. Can ishiki beat Momoshiki? Madara pushed his Sharingan to a high level while being very young which allowed him to lead the Uchiha clan with his younger brother. He first awakened there during an altercation between his family and that of Hashirama Senju. He likes interesting storylines with philosophical Themes, as well as quirky and psychologically intriguing Characters that he likes to debate and Talk about. But I could also see Momoshiki coming out on top, due to his vastly superior physical stats. Madara's Limbo clones beat Naruto's Shadow clones in 10 seconds. Momoshiki's eyes didn't unlock Rinnegan. yes he was still very active you just didn't hear about it or see him because everything was done off-screen. They had just nearly sealed him a moment after he said those words, so the threat was very real. We saw an even match up. After he got that other eye, there was no hope for Naruto or sasuke of winning against an immortal being who can just absorb their jutsu. Sep 16, 2017 #10 Turrin said: Adult-Naruto and Sasuke needed additional help from Boruto to defeat Momoshiki, while Teen-Naruto and Sasuke were handling Madara by themselves. LMFAO. You basically just destroyed your older Post about you asking me why didn't Naruto just fight them in Normal Sage Mode, which this proves why. If you were talking about size exclusivelyyou would be right. because Six path Sage mode gives Naruto the ability to sense presences from another Dimension, while the others don't. Regardless like I said Madara has larger Chakra, and Chakra reserves than Adult Sasuke who had 50% could handle and Damage fused momoshiki. LMFAO, stop it kid and I already know that hence why Kaguya lost twice even those she was far stronger than her sons at that point in time. Sasuke Saw Limbo because his Eyes had unlocked the Rinnegan, He saw Limbo with his eyes, not with his Fucking hands like you are trying to claim for momoshiki LMFAO. This was Sage of Six paths Version of it which is leagues better. Sasuke Did see the invisible attack as I already proven that more over, he was able to see Momoshiki's Ghost when he died and stop time as well. As I already said Madara has planet+ level of chakra, and Chakra reserves when he took in the Ten tails. Disclaimer: This list is based on the writers opinion and contains spoilers from Naruto and Boruto. Again, you said the only reason they were perfoming well was that because they were using Madara's weakness (senjutsu). What the fuck? The fact that you out right stated that Momoshiki can't see invisible Jutsu already debunks your post, that he could see Limbo. I'd be able to make sense of this if I knew what it was you're getting at. People try to use the Novels to try and say Momoshiki is solar system level because he absorbed a planet, which is false; By that same logic it would mean base Madara is planet+ level since he absorbed the Juubi which was stated twice to have planet level chakra, and chakra reserves as well as Absorbed Kaguya. Nor did I say they massacred him, I said he ran away to prevent that from happening, and seeing how he nearly got beaten with that single move, it's a fair assessment. The Sasuke that fought Momo would pound Madara. Wrong again, when she was having her sons she was weakened as she couldn't stop in coming arrows. 1 2 Next TauanVictor 4,637 2,464 Mar 18, 2021 #1 Madara Uchiha VS Momoshiki tsutsuki Fight Location: Naruto and Sasuke VS Momoshiki Starting Distance: 500 Meters Madara Jbi Jinchriki Dual Rinnegan + Rinnesharingan and Momoshiki with Kinshiki Absorbed will be used. You aren't quoting me, and now its a jumble of arguments that address nothing. you clearly ignored everything I just said. You implied 50% Sasuke was weaker than 100% Sasuke, and outright said more chakra = more power, but now you seem to be asserting that's irrelevant now. From then on, he has the six powers of Rikud, his techniques as well as all the skills and advantages related to the Rinnegan, which are of a completely different level than those of Nagato. The only way you can gather that Sasuke can't hurt Limbo is if you ignore that it's Six Paths Chakra in general that would be effective on the clonesnot to mention that the previous point didn't even address Limbo to begin with. Indra was the oldest son of Hagoromo. This is the only category where we couldnt really decide on the winner, since it is extremely difficult to measure the exact chakra levels of characters from Naruto and Boruto. Alsoyou are aware that War Arc versions of Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke were already tired when those powerups came aboutright? Why so eager to pin something on me? The giant meteor debris that was literally falling on their location. This situation was easier than we actually thought it would be. Like the other tsutsuki, Momoshiki was gifted with extremely powerful chakra. the point is this Madara has Planet+ level chakra, and chakra reserves when he absorbed the Juubi. He didn't do anything Because Kishimoto was Nerfing him so that Naruto and sasuke could live. Since you have nothing of this, you have no case. Madara mid-high diff. War-Arc, The Last/Blank Period and Hokage/Boruto Era Naruto. as you saw he can use them as a shield for defence as well so Momoshiki will not even be able to touch him. Reminder he was running away from them to avoid being massacred all because he didn't have his other eye. Sasuke with Rinnegan was able to See Boruto's Attack and perceive it just fine, while Momoshiki couldn't. This is a lie. He is exceptionally skilled, his superiority is more than obvious and Momoshiki, despite all of his skills and abilities, couldnt really do anything against Madara in this category. Can't be defended. Madara has larger chakra reserves then Adult Sasuke. You obviously see how this premise makes no sense, so why argue it in the first place? He was the first person to bear the mantle of God of Shinobi, and with his best friend Madara Uchiha, he founded Konohagakure. Why? To vanquish him, the world would need some amazing fighters. In other words, there's no objectivity to your claim the Limbo clones are superior. You seem to forget he hasn't done anything to them yet. Under these conditions probably Momo although Madara has better hax and regeneration, he may be able to pull something off. it doesn't matter if Sasuke was at 50% or less then 50% when MAdara fought them. No, Madara has far more chakra, can negate all sasuke attack, and has 4 unkillable limbo clones he can just keep making new ones.
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